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VP debate live updates: Vance thrived on stage while Walz struggled to find his footing

Vance and Walz had a relatively civil debate even over hot-button issues like abortion, the economy, immigration, gun control and more

Ariana Baio,Oliver O'Connell
Wednesday 02 October 2024 01:15
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JD Vance has his mic cut as VP candidates spar over immigration

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Ohio Senator JD Vance appeared more confident, polished and prepared than Minnesota Governor Tim Walz during the vice presidential debate in New York City.

In the refreshingly calm debate, Vance spread falsehoods about immigration and refused to admit his running mate, Donald Trump, lost the 2020 election, yet he managed to outperform Walz.

Vance gave a noticeably softer performance than usual and rarely wavered in his responses – even when confronted with his past comments about Trump and his recent false claims about immigrants in Springfield, Ohio.

Meanwhile, Walz struggled to find his footing, he appeared nervous and unsure in some of his answers. The Democratic vice presidential nominee got more comfortable in the 90-minute debate, but his even-keeled answers failed to outshine some of Vance’s.

Democrats reportedly privately voiced concerns that Walz could underperform in the debate because of his tendency to get heated while defending his record in office. However, he did not live up to that expectation.

The most heated moment of the debate was when moderators were forced to cut the vice presidential nominees’ microphones because the two candidates sparred over immigration.

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New poll shows the debate was a deadheat

A new poll found the debate turned out essentially a draw. CBS and YouGov put out a survey immediately following the vice presidential debate, which found that 42 percent of people thought that Republican vice presidential nominee Senator JD Vance got the better of his Democratic counterpart Minnesota Governor Tim Walz.

But 41 percent thought that Walz got the better of Donald Trump’s running mate. Similarly, people seemed to like the tone of the debate as 88 percent of those surveyed said the tone was generally positive.

Eric Garcia2 October 2024 06:15
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Walz tries to dodge but admits ‘discrepancy’ in his comments on time in Hong Kong

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz gave a rambling answer Tuesday night during the vice presidential debate against JD Vance when asked about reports that he falsely claimed to have been in Hong Kong during the June 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre in China.

“All I said on this was is, I got there that summer and misspoke on this, so I will just, that’s what I’ve said,” Walz responded to the CBS moderators. “So I was in Hong Kong and China during the democracy protests... and from that I learned a lot of what needed to be in governance.”

Josh Marcus reports:

Walz admits he was not in Hong Kong during Tiananmen Square protests: ‘I misspoke’

Minnesota governor said he’s a ‘knucklehead’ who will ‘get caught up in the rhetoric’

Josh Marcus2 October 2024 06:00
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Rachel Maddow: ‘JD Vance was very polished and very slick'

MSNBC host Rachel Maddow said Vance was “polished” and “slick” but believes that Walz “won”.

“One of these candidates is much slicker than the other is a much more practiced, kind of professional debate-style speaker and the other candidate won,” Maddow said.

She acknowledged that Walz had an unflattering while responding to criticisms about the Tiananmen Square protests but that he succeeded on “every issue on substance” like healthcare, the economy, immigration, abortion and more.

“JD Vance was very polished and very slick and Tim Walz beat him on the substantive points.”

Ariana Baio2 October 2024 05:45
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The scene at the Democratic debate watch party

At the Democrat debate watch party in Arlington, it was initially, quiet and folks were a bit stressed. Then once Walz started to hit his stride, they felt better.

Eric Garcia2 October 2024 05:30
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Van Jones says JD Vance ‘lied’ the entire debate

CNN host and legal analyst Van Jones said JD Vance “lied the entire night”.

Jones said Vance repeated falsehoods about American energy production, Trump’s past healthcare policy, the peaceful transfer of power in 2021 and supporting a national abortion ban.

“I think Americans need to be very, very careful this is a very, very deceitful guy,” Jones said on CNN.

Ariana Baio2 October 2024 05:14
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The scene from the DC Young Republicans watch party

Guests were losing interest in the wonky debate by the second half and a fight nearly broke out after one man told another guest that his views were “repulsive” and stormed out threatening to kick his ass.

John Bowden2 October 2024 05:10
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Vance forced to confront his previous criticism of Trump on debate stage – and blames the media

Donald Trump’s running mate JD Vance has blamed the media for his savage past criticisms of the former president.

Speaking in a televised debate against his Democratic opposite number Tim Walz, the Ohio senator claimed that he was misled by “dishonest fabrications” when he compared Trump to Hitler and said he had “thoroughly failed to deliver his economic populism”.

“I’ve always been extremely open about the fact that I was wrong about Donald Trump,” Vance said on Tuesday night. “I was wrong first of all because I believed some of the media stories that turned out to be dishonest fabrications of his record.

Io Dodds reports:

Vance blames media for his brutal past criticism of Trump during debate with Tim Walz

The Ohio senator claimed he’d been misled by ‘dishonest’ news stories when he compared Trump to heroin and Hitler

Ariana Baio2 October 2024 05:00
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Who won the vice presidential debate?

Despite a civilized and at times even convivial vice presidential debate, Democratic nominee Tim Walz at times appeared nervous and unprepared, while his rival JD Vance worked to downplay his image of an uncompassionate weirdo.

Ultimately, the Ohio Senator’s confidence, command of party lines and smooth delivery made a largely positive impression on Tuesday night, in contrast to that caused by several campaign controversies in recent weeks.

Mike Bedigan reports:

Who won the vice presidential debate? Walz ‘fumbled bigly’ in spar with Vance

Ultimately, the Ohio Senator’s confidence, command of party lines and smooth delivery made a largely positive impression on Tuesday night

Mike Bedigan2 October 2024 04:53
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A review on Walz’s performance

By his own admission, Vance says he likes to talk a lot. When I watched his debate performances from when he ran for Congress and Governor, Walz can rattle off tons of facts.

The downside to that is that sometimes he isn’t quick on his feet. This was how he at times struggled to respond to questions about his response to violent demonstrations after George Floyd’s killing. In the same way, he slipped when he did not directly address the timeline when of when he went to Hong Kong.

It also meant he tried to pack in his rehearsed lines about abortion rather than responding to accusations about Minnesota’s abortion law.

Eric Garcia 2 October 2024 04:48
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Who is Usha Vance? JD’s wife is evolving alongside him on the political stage

When JD Vance began law school at Yale, the Rust Belt native encountered total culture shock — but also met his wife, the whipsmart daughter of Indian immigrants who helped him navigate the Ivy League, healthy relationships and his run for Vice President alongside Donald Trump. Sheila Flynn chronicles their romance

Who is Usha Vance? The wife and family of Trump’s VP pick JD Vance

When JD Vance began law school at Yale, the Rust Belt native encountered total culture shock — but also met his wife, the whipsmart daughter of Indian immigrants who helped him navigate the Ivy League, healthy relationships and his run for Vice President alongside Donald Trump. Sheila Flynn chronicles their romance

Ariana Baio2 October 2024 04:30

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