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Sport Cricket England vs West Indies LIVE: Cricket score and updates as James Anderson bowls in the second innings Follow all the action from Lord's as England take on the West Indies
Joe Root makes a positive start on day two after Enland finished day one on top (Action Images via Reuters) England take on the West Indies in the first Test of the summer at Lord’s, with all the pre-match conversations focused on James Anderson ’s final farwell.
Anderson will make his 188th and final Test appearance for England at the Home of Cricket, and started the match with 700 wickets, just eight less than Shane Warne and comfortably second on the list of all-time wicket-takers in the format.
The West Indies secured a historic win against Australia, while England won just one Test match against India, as they fell to a 4-1 defeat in the difficult subcontinent conditions.
Ben Stokes and Brendon McCullum elected to go with youth rather than experience for the match, handing debuts to Gus Atkinson and Jamie Smith, while bidding farewell to Anderson.
England’s management already have one eye on the upcoming Ashes in 18 months, and want to give their young fast-bowling crop as much opportunity as possible to impress ahead of that series.
In the first innings the West Indies were bowled out for just 121 with debutant Gus Atkinson taking seven wickets for just 45 runs.
Follow all the latest live coverage of today’s match in the live blog below:
England vs West Indies LIVE: West Indies in England 2024 updates England vs West Indies Jayden Seales to Shoaib Bashir. Length ball, outside off stump on the front foot driving, to extra cover for no runs, fielded by Brathwaite.
England vs West Indies Jayden Seales to Shoaib Bashir. Length ball, outside off stump on the front foot defending, missed for no runs, fielded by Da Silva.
England vs West Indies Jayden Seales to Shoaib Bashir. Length ball, outside off stump on the back foot working, hit pad to short leg for no runs, fielded by McKenzie.
England vs West Indies Jayden Seales to Shoaib Bashir. Back of a length, outside off stump on the back foot pulling, missed for no runs, fielded by Da Silva.
England vs West Indies Jayden Seales to Shoaib Bashir. Out-swinging length ball, outside off stump on the back foot Steer, missed for no runs, fielded by Da Silva.
England vs West Indies Jayden Seales to Shoaib Bashir. Out-swinging length ball, outside off stump on the front foot Slog, missed for no runs, fielded by Da Silva.
England vs West Indies Shamar Joseph to Jamie Smith. Short, outside off stump down the track Leave, Left for no runs, fielded by Da Silva.
England vs West Indies SIX! Shamar Joseph to Jamie Smith. Back of a length, outside off stump on the front foot Slog, well timed in the air under control over deep mid wicket for 6 runs.
England vs West Indies Shamar Joseph to Jamie Smith. Length ball, down leg side on the front foot glancing, Play and Miss (Leg Side) for no runs, fielded by Da Silva.
England vs West Indies Shamar Joseph to Jamie Smith. Length ball, outside off stump on the back foot pushing, well timed to deep backward point for 2 runs, fielded by Louis.
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