Stay up to date with notifications from The Independent

Notifications can be managed in browser preferences.

Trump’s latest defence in the classified documents case: ‘Bravado’

The former president says ‘if you want to know the truth, it was bravado’

Eric Garcia
Wednesday 28 June 2023 12:27 EDT
Comments
Trump Heard on Tape Talking About 'Highly Confidential' Documents

Your support helps us to tell the story

From reproductive rights to climate change to Big Tech, The Independent is on the ground when the story is developing. Whether it's investigating the financials of Elon Musk's pro-Trump PAC or producing our latest documentary, 'The A Word', which shines a light on the American women fighting for reproductive rights, we know how important it is to parse out the facts from the messaging.

At such a critical moment in US history, we need reporters on the ground. Your donation allows us to keep sending journalists to speak to both sides of the story.

The Independent is trusted by Americans across the entire political spectrum. And unlike many other quality news outlets, we choose not to lock Americans out of our reporting and analysis with paywalls. We believe quality journalism should be available to everyone, paid for by those who can afford it.

Your support makes all the difference.

Former president Donald Trump has said that he did not show off classified documents in the leaked audio clip in which he referred to “highly confidential” material, claiming he was merely speaking with “bravado.”

Mr Trump’s comments come after CNN published audio of him apparently showing a map of how to attack Iran to a writer who was helping Mr Trump’s former chief of staff Mark Meadows put together his memoirs. The audio is part of Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into Mr Trump’s improper handling of documents related to national security.

“I would say it was bravado, if you want to know the truth, it was bravado,” Mr Trump told Semafor and ABC News aboard his airplane. “I was talking and just holding up papers and talking about them, but I had no documents. I didn’t have any documents.”

In the audio, Mr Trump is heard saying “I have a big pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him. They presented me this – this is off the record but – they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him.” He is later heard saying, “See as president I could have declassified it” before adding, “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

During his interview with Semafor and ABC News aboard his plane, Mr Trump gestured to a stack of papers that featured newspapers, copies of articles and speech texts. When asked about his use of the word “plans” in his interview with Fox News, Mr Trump said he was referring to business plans.

“Did I use the word plans?” he said. “What I’m referring to is magazines, newspapers, plans of buildings. I had plans of buildings. You know, building plans? I had plans of a golf course.”

Mr Trump also said he did not regret his handling of classified documents.

“No, I have no regrets,” he said. “I didn't have a classified document. There was no classified document on my desk.”

Join our commenting forum

Join thought-provoking conversations, follow other Independent readers and see their replies

Comments

Thank you for registering

Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged inPlease refresh your browser to be logged in