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Five times Anthony Fauci and Rand Paul clashed over leaked emails, masks and Omicron in testy Senate hearings

Fauci and Paul engaged in their latest throw-down in front of a Senate committee this week

Justin Vallejo
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Thursday 13 January 2022 09:32 EST
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Rand Paul lays into Dr Fauci after clash during Senate hearing

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Sparring partners Anthony Fauci and Rand Paul threw down in the Senate again this week.

The Republican Senator and the federal governmentā€™s lead infectious disease expert clashed over emails from early in the pandemic warning of possible ā€œgain of functionā€ research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in the creation of Covid-19.

Mr Paul asked Dr Fauci it was appropriate to use his $420,000 salary to attack scientists who disagreed with the science of Dr Fauciā€™s, who has become the public face of the federal governmentā€™s Covid response.

ā€œIn usual fashion, senator, you are distorting everything about me,ā€ Dr Fauci said. ā€œThere you go again, you just do the same thing every hearing,ā€ he added.

The latest in the long-running battle of one-upmanship provided more zingers between the two, with Dr Fauci increasingly frustrated over questions from some Republicans.

Here are five times the pair have clashed during the Covid-19 pandemic:

ā€˜I have no responsibility for the current pandemicā€™

At the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions in November 2020, Mr Paul confronted Dr Fauci about a letter from the National Institute of Health purported to contradict previous testimony that the agency never funded ā€œgain of functionā€ research in Wuhan.

The letter said that experiments in Wuhan funded by the NIH through grants to EcoHealth Alliance created viruses that made mice sicker than those infected with the original version.

ā€œAs sometimes occurs in science, this was an unexpected result of the research, as opposed to something that the researchers set out to do,ā€ the letter said.

That distinction, according to the NIH, meant it did not fit the definition of gain of function research, which it rebranded to the newly coined term ā€œresearch involving enhanced pathogens of pandemic potential (ePPP)ā€.

Mr Paul asked Dr Fauci if he would resign in light of the NIH letter, which was claimed to show he lied before Congress when claiming they never funded such research in China.

ā€œYou have said that I am unwilling to take any responsibility for the current pandemic. I have no responsibility for the current pandemic,ā€ Dr Fauci responded.

ā€œAs usual, and I have a great deal of respect for this body of the Senate, and it makes me very uncomfortable to have to say something, but he is egregiously incorrect in what he says,ā€ Dr Fauci continued.

Mr Paul fired back: ā€œHistory will figure that out on its own.ā€

Senator Rand Paul and Fauci clash during Senate hearing

ā€˜If anybody is lying here, senator, itā€™s youā€™

Dr Fauci officially submitted to the Senate record in July 2021 that Mr Paul does not, ā€œquite franklyā€, know what heā€™s talking about.

Mr Paul suggested Dr Fauci may want to retract his statement on 11 May that the NIH never funded gain of function research in Wuhan, ā€œknowing it is a crime to lie to Congressā€.

In response, Dr Fauci said he has ā€œnever liedā€ before Congress and that he does not retract the statement.

He snapped at Dr Fauci to ā€œlet me finishā€ his explanation of how his staff had determined the research being referenced did not fall under the definition of gain of function research.

ā€œSenator Paul, you do not know what youā€™re talking about, quite frankly, and I want to say that officially,ā€ Dr Fauci said. ā€œYou do not know what youā€™re talking about.ā€

ā€œIf anybody is lying here, senator, itā€™s you,ā€ he added.

Anthony Fauci loses his patience with Senator Rand Paul

ā€˜You are entirely and completely incorrectā€™

Mr Paul directly accused the National Institute of Health of funding research at a lab in Wuhan that resulted in the increased transmissibility of viruses, despite a ban on the so-called gain of function research in the US since 2014.

ā€œCan you imagine if a SARs virus that has been juiced up, and had viral proteins added to it, to the spike protein, if that were released accidentally?ā€ Mr Paul asked.

Dr Fauci replied that Mr Paul is ā€œentirely and completely incorrectā€ and the NIH has not ever funded research they define as ā€œgain of functionā€ a the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And also, ā€œif it is, it is according to the guidelines and it is being conducted in North Carolina, not Chinaā€.

ā€œI do not have any accounting of what the Chinese may have done, and Iā€™m fully in favour of any further investigation of what went on in China,ā€ Dr Fauci said. ā€œHowever, I will repeat again, the NIH and the NIAID categorically has not funded gain-of-function research to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virologyā€.

Dr Fauci spars with Rand Paul over Covid misinformation

ā€˜Here we go again with the theatreā€™

The pair returned to jousting in March 2021 when Dr Fauci deflected claims his pandemic guidelines were political theatre by declaring that it was, actually, Mr Paul going again with the theatre.

Mr Paul asked Dr Fauci why it was still necessary to wear masks after getting the recently released vaccine, which at the time was claimed would prevent transmission of the virus.

ā€œIf weā€™re not spreading the infection, isnā€™t it just theatre? You have the vaccine and youā€™re wearing two masks, isnā€™t that theatre?ā€ Mr Paul asked.

A visibly annoyed Dr Fauci responded, ā€œHere we go again with the theatre. Letā€™s get down to the facts.ā€

Dr Fauci said the threat of new variants resistant to the vaccine was a ā€œgood reason for a maskā€.

Mr Paul continued to interject, repeating: ā€œYouā€™ve been vaccinated and you parade around in two masks for show!ā€

Dr Fauci clashes with 'egregiously incorrect' Rand Paul in Senate hearing

ā€˜You are not listeningā€™

In September 2020, Dr Fauci lost his patience and told Mr Paul he was ā€œnot listeningā€ during a Senate hearing on the US response to the pandemic.

Mr Paul jabbed at Dr Fauci by saying the Covid expert was a ā€œbig fanā€ of Andrew Cuomo who jumped up and down saying the former governor did a great job despite New Yorkā€™s scandal-plagued pandemic response.

ā€œYouā€™ve misconstrued that, senator, and youā€™ve done that repeatedly in the past,ā€ Dr Fauci said. ā€œThey got hit very badly and they made some mistakes.

He went on to say New Yorkā€™s testing positivity rate was around 1 per cent due to the official guidelines of masks, social distancing and washing hands.

When Mr Paul suggested New York could have achieved herd immunity, a frustrated Dr Fauci said ā€œthis happens with Senator Rand all the timeā€.

ā€œYou are not listening to what the director of the CDC said that in New York itā€™s about 22 per cent. If you believe 22 per cent is herd immunity I believe youā€™re alone in that.ā€

Dr Fauci tells Rand Paul he is "completely incorrect" on Wuhan lab theory

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