Five times Anthony Fauci and Rand Paul clashed over leaked emails, masks and Omicron in testy Senate hearings
Fauci and Paul engaged in their latest throw-down in front of a Senate committee this week
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Your support makes all the difference.Sparring partners Anthony Fauci and Rand Paul threw down in the Senate again this week.
The Republican Senator and the federal governmentās lead infectious disease expert clashed over emails from early in the pandemic warning of possible āgain of functionā research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology in the creation of Covid-19.
Mr Paul asked Dr Fauci it was appropriate to use his $420,000 salary to attack scientists who disagreed with the science of Dr Fauciās, who has become the public face of the federal governmentās Covid response.
āIn usual fashion, senator, you are distorting everything about me,ā Dr Fauci said. āThere you go again, you just do the same thing every hearing,ā he added.
The latest in the long-running battle of one-upmanship provided more zingers between the two, with Dr Fauci increasingly frustrated over questions from some Republicans.
Here are five times the pair have clashed during the Covid-19 pandemic:
āI have no responsibility for the current pandemicā
At the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions in November 2020, Mr Paul confronted Dr Fauci about a letter from the National Institute of Health purported to contradict previous testimony that the agency never funded āgain of functionā research in Wuhan.
The letter said that experiments in Wuhan funded by the NIH through grants to EcoHealth Alliance created viruses that made mice sicker than those infected with the original version.
āAs sometimes occurs in science, this was an unexpected result of the research, as opposed to something that the researchers set out to do,ā the letter said.
That distinction, according to the NIH, meant it did not fit the definition of gain of function research, which it rebranded to the newly coined term āresearch involving enhanced pathogens of pandemic potential (ePPP)ā.
Mr Paul asked Dr Fauci if he would resign in light of the NIH letter, which was claimed to show he lied before Congress when claiming they never funded such research in China.
āYou have said that I am unwilling to take any responsibility for the current pandemic. I have no responsibility for the current pandemic,ā Dr Fauci responded.
āAs usual, and I have a great deal of respect for this body of the Senate, and it makes me very uncomfortable to have to say something, but he is egregiously incorrect in what he says,ā Dr Fauci continued.
Mr Paul fired back: āHistory will figure that out on its own.ā
āIf anybody is lying here, senator, itās youā
Dr Fauci officially submitted to the Senate record in July 2021 that Mr Paul does not, āquite franklyā, know what heās talking about.
Mr Paul suggested Dr Fauci may want to retract his statement on 11 May that the NIH never funded gain of function research in Wuhan, āknowing it is a crime to lie to Congressā.
In response, Dr Fauci said he has ānever liedā before Congress and that he does not retract the statement.
He snapped at Dr Fauci to ālet me finishā his explanation of how his staff had determined the research being referenced did not fall under the definition of gain of function research.
āSenator Paul, you do not know what youāre talking about, quite frankly, and I want to say that officially,ā Dr Fauci said. āYou do not know what youāre talking about.ā
āIf anybody is lying here, senator, itās you,ā he added.
āYou are entirely and completely incorrectā
Mr Paul directly accused the National Institute of Health of funding research at a lab in Wuhan that resulted in the increased transmissibility of viruses, despite a ban on the so-called gain of function research in the US since 2014.
āCan you imagine if a SARs virus that has been juiced up, and had viral proteins added to it, to the spike protein, if that were released accidentally?ā Mr Paul asked.
Dr Fauci replied that Mr Paul is āentirely and completely incorrectā and the NIH has not ever funded research they define as āgain of functionā a the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And also, āif it is, it is according to the guidelines and it is being conducted in North Carolina, not Chinaā.
āI do not have any accounting of what the Chinese may have done, and Iām fully in favour of any further investigation of what went on in China,ā Dr Fauci said. āHowever, I will repeat again, the NIH and the NIAID categorically has not funded gain-of-function research to be conducted in the Wuhan Institute of Virologyā.
āHere we go again with the theatreā
The pair returned to jousting in March 2021 when Dr Fauci deflected claims his pandemic guidelines were political theatre by declaring that it was, actually, Mr Paul going again with the theatre.
Mr Paul asked Dr Fauci why it was still necessary to wear masks after getting the recently released vaccine, which at the time was claimed would prevent transmission of the virus.
āIf weāre not spreading the infection, isnāt it just theatre? You have the vaccine and youāre wearing two masks, isnāt that theatre?ā Mr Paul asked.
A visibly annoyed Dr Fauci responded, āHere we go again with the theatre. Letās get down to the facts.ā
Dr Fauci said the threat of new variants resistant to the vaccine was a āgood reason for a maskā.
Mr Paul continued to interject, repeating: āYouāve been vaccinated and you parade around in two masks for show!ā
āYou are not listeningā
In September 2020, Dr Fauci lost his patience and told Mr Paul he was ānot listeningā during a Senate hearing on the US response to the pandemic.
Mr Paul jabbed at Dr Fauci by saying the Covid expert was a ābig fanā of Andrew Cuomo who jumped up and down saying the former governor did a great job despite New Yorkās scandal-plagued pandemic response.
āYouāve misconstrued that, senator, and youāve done that repeatedly in the past,ā Dr Fauci said. āThey got hit very badly and they made some mistakes.
He went on to say New Yorkās testing positivity rate was around 1 per cent due to the official guidelines of masks, social distancing and washing hands.
When Mr Paul suggested New York could have achieved herd immunity, a frustrated Dr Fauci said āthis happens with Senator Rand all the timeā.
āYou are not listening to what the director of the CDC said that in New York itās about 22 per cent. If you believe 22 per cent is herd immunity I believe youāre alone in that.ā
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